Please submit any "especial" scriptural prophecies pertaining to Mormonism in the box below.
When Mormonism takes over the world (delayed by a few years now that Mitt Romney is out United States presidential race), a number of sports teams will change names.
Green Bay Boyd Packers
Philadelphia Seagulls
San Francisco 47ers
St. Louis Sheeple
New Orleans Latter-day Saints
Buffalo Brighams
New England Patriarchs
Denver Tapirs
Tennessee Tithes
The Cleveland Browns won't be allowed to play since they aren't white and delightsome enough.
Cleveland Lamanites
Chicago White Shirts
Anaheim Angel Moronis
New York Mitts
San Diego Bishops
Los Angeles Deacons
The Cincinnati Reds will be allowed to play now that Ezra Taft Benson is gone.
Columbus Suit Jackets
Dallas Kokaubeams
St Louis Hymns ('cause we all know that is the only true music)
Canadian fans will be able to cheer for the Calgary Flaming Swords
Edmonton Consecrated Oilers and the Toronto Fig Leafs - whose uniforms will now include a green apron.
The New Jersey Devils will be cast out by the power of the Melchizedek Priesthood.
Utah Joezz
Orlando Priesthood
Philadelphia Seventies
Golden State Stripling Warriors
Los Angeles Great Salt Lakers
Phoenix Kolobs
In honor of the primary Portland will be shortened from Trailblazers to just Blazers and the Seattle Supersonics will become the Trekkers (especially after they move to Oklahoma).
And when everyone finally figures out the truth, the Chicago Bullshits
2006 - Gordo dies of old age. Monson takes over.
2007 - Monson dies of being unhealthy. Packer takes over.
2008 - Night of the long knives. All mormon leaders deemed a threat to Packer's power are quietly blood atoned during the night.
2008 - The "Danite Youth" program is started and all Aaronic Priesthood holders are required to take part in it. The Danite Youth indoctrinates the young men on the principles of Packerism.
2009 - Crystal Night - All non-mormon owned businesses in downtown Salt Lake are destroyed by Packer's Danite Youth.
2010 - Through plitical maneuvering, Packer becomes governor of Utah, and Mayor of Salt Lake City. The State Legislature is packed with Packer viceroys. Packer also takes control of the state Militia.
2011 - The State of Utah crosses into the Idaho border and annexes Idaho. The people of Idaho, mostly mormons, cheer the invading Utah forces. The governor of Idaho is relieved of his duties.
2011 - President Hillary Clinton issues an emergency White House meeting to discuss the growing Mormon problem.
2012 - Utah invades Montana, Arizona, Nevada, and Colorado on successive nights using Blitzkrieg tactics. The four states are annexed as part of Utah in less than a week.
2012 - The Democrats in congress want to stop Packer, using military force if necessary. The Republicand realize that Packer supporters are mostly republican, and are reluctant to confront him. The repuplican controlled congress vote to appease Packer.
2013. Packer invades the West Coast and New Mexico, turning the United States west of the Rockies into Utah, the largest and most powerful state in the Union. All library books in the new Utah are burned. Packer announces an approved reading list, The Book of Mormon, The Bible, D&C, PofGP, the Ensign, and The Work and the Glory series. All libraries are turned into mormon temples. R-rated movies are illegal in the new giant state of Utah.
2014. The new state of Utah has tremendous political power. Packer takes control of congress in mid-term elections through his power and influence. Congress votes to impeach President Clinton. She is convicted by the Packer Court. Congress replaces Clinton with Packer. Packer replaces all state governors with mormons. Names mormonism the official religion of the United States. Puts Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, and himself on US Currency.
2015. The United States, under President Packer, invades Canada. Canada is defeated in less than six hours. US planes drop Book of Mormons on the defeated Canadian people.
2016 Packer sends planes to Europe to drop Book of Mormons. France shoots down one of the Book of Mormon planes. Packer declares war on France. Britain, Germany, and the rest of the Civilized world come to France's aid. WWIII has begun The US allies are Mexico, Guatemala, Chile, and the Phillipeans, all heavily mormon countries.
2017 The U.S. and her allies are defeated in a few months. Packer and his cronies commit suicide in his Salt Lake Bunker.
2018 The world returns to normal. Utah is divided into East Utah and West Utah. West Utah is controlled by Nevada and California. East Utah is controlled By New York and Washington DC. All mormon temples are blown up. Mormonism is declared illegal. All remaining mormons form a secret underground organization.
A future FPR (faith promoting rumor). It's the year 2031. One year ago, the Prophet finally told us that the time had come for the church to relocate to Missouri. Oil shortages many years ago had left us without motorized transport, so we had to walk.
Utah had become inhospitable for faithful Mormons due to a rapid influx of coffee drinkers and wine bibbers, as well as people who laughed at our sacred garments.
Many of the less-faithful saints chose the easy way out and fell away from the church. They claimed that they could not in good conscience believe in Mormonism and that any person with one-third or more of a brain could never believe the claims of Mormonism in this day and age, but we knew that they left because they were overcome with the desire to sinfully partake of coffee, wine and even sex, and that they wanted to wear worldly underwear.
Those who remained in the church were special beyond belief. They were more determined than ever to prove that they were worthy of Heavenly Father's special approbation.
When President Dickerhead, the newly annointed Prophet, Seer and Revelator, decreed that the faithful saints must now gather to Missouri, all 500 of the remaining saints unanimously sustained the decision. We called ourselves "the few who were chosen".
Some died on the long journey, but most of us made it. We gathered together for a special fast and testimony meeting to commemorate our arrival in "Zion of the Last Dispensation" where we were preparing to live communally on a plot of land in the very district that the Prophet Joseph Smith declared so long ago would be Zion.
Toward the close of the meeting, President Dickerhead whipped out a white hanky and twirled it above his head, shouting: "Hosanna to the Lord of Hosts! our protector, our healer, our guide!"
Just then there was a mighty rumble in the earth below and an enormous crevasse opened up and swallowed up every single one of the saints except for me and an old guy named LaVerne. They just completely disappeared without a trace, with the exception of the white hanky that had been twirled by President Dickerman. Immediately as President Dickerman fell into the crevasse, we had seen the saw white hanky fly upward in a violent gust of wind and then it fluttered down gently from the sky to land on LaVerne's head.
Needless to say, both LaVerne and I were dumbfounded.
LaVerne mumbled something about how he had sucked on a coffee-flavored candy earlier in the day because he was extremely hungry when he saw the partially sucked-on candy lying on the road on our way to Zion and couldn't resist the temptation to pick it up and pop it into his mouth.
LaVerne speculated that God must have taken the worthy saints up--or rather down, as it turned out--to be with him, and left us because we weren't worthy. He kept asking me what my sin was, but I didn't know.
I couldn't figure out why following the Prophet would have resulted in such a weird outcome. Certainly when Joseph Smith and Brigham Young were leading the church, they would never have given guidance that would have resulted in such a disaster as this! I had always thought that something about President Dickerman wasn't quite right. Maybe he was a fallen prophet!
Then it hit me. I had sinned. I had doubted the Prophet. LaVerne was right. Our sins had cut us off from the fellowship of the saints. His coffee candy and my doubts about Dickerman had cost us our reward in the Celestial Kingdom.
I wanted to write an letter to the Ensign and warn others not to doubt the Prophet. But I realized that there was no church on Earth and no Ensign to write to.
Then again, LaVerne is a priesthood holder, so maybe god wants him to be the new prophet and me to be the editor of the New Ensign....
I predict that the garments will change drastically within thirty years. They've gotten shorter and shorter, but you still can barely find a wedding dress that will cover them. I bet they'll eventually become no more than a tank top and boxers, and maybe even die out completely or be replaced by a ring or necklace or something. Let's face it. Garments suck big time. Even as a TBM (True Believing Mormon), I was not looking forward to the day that I would have to wear them. I guess I got out of that one! - 02/07/2004 - from MySongAngel
I recieved a revalation from Heavenly Father that the end of the world will be on a Sunday in December 2020. - 11/26/2003 - anon
Dead Pools are morbid games where people bet on who is going to die soon. Whoever gets the most right wins. How about a Mormon Doctrine Dead Pool? Which doctrines do you think will be dead soon? We've seen the Black/Cain doctrine officially die, the Polygamy doctrine (in this lifetime) officially die, the Adam/God doctrine unofficially die through denial, same with Blood Atonement. Which doctrines do think will die officially through some announcement (like the 1978 'revelation'), or unofficially by quietly discontinue the teaching of it and pretend it never happened?
I'll throw in
1) the female priesthood ban. I think this will end within 20 years.
2) BofM as historical fact. The church can never completely deny the BofM, but with DNA evidence destroying it they will have to find some medium between it being a divine translation yet fictional. It will be interesting to see what the PR geniuses come up with.
3) The BofA facsimile's will quietly disappear in the next set of scriptures. Without the facsimilie's, you can't connect the Book of Abraham to the Papyri found in 1967. Just take out the pictures and pretend they never existed, end of controversy. If someone pulls out an old set of scriptures with the facsimiles, just say that was never official doctrine.
4) The Temple Ceremony will be changed again within 10 years. Still too much weird masonry stuff.
...they've already stopped teaching that God was once man, and man may become God in them. ;)
...I would put them in the exact opposite order. I don't see the women holding the priesthood within the next 20 years. The "brethren" won't give up on that one so easily.
I'd also add a "revelatory addendum" to the Word of Wisdom within 25 years clarifying the church's position on caffeine and a glass of wine with dinner.
Missionaries will not serve for two years. They'll be sent on one year missions and told to marry and have kids immediately when home.
Foreign countries will not welcome single missionaries so the church will encourage married young couples to go on missions (with their children)
I currently live and work overseas, strangely enough in the same country where I served a mission about 17 years ago.
At the time we had nearly nine hundred missionaries in the country. Today it's around 600, with zero prospects of an increase anytime soon,and membership numbers are stagnating.
I believe your idea of one-year missions is apprpopriate, but has already been in practice for quite some time in some foreign countries.
The American elders here all serve two years, but the local elders almost never serve more than one. A one year mission followed by an honorable release certificate and a leadership calling in their home ward. They are supposed to go home, get married, and become priesthood leaders to strengthen their branches and wards.
And yet the church still isn't growing much over here, and most local members still don't serve missions despite cutting the times in half.
Maybe they should cut them down to six or nine months and see what happens.
The Mormon church will eventually permit non-member relatives attend weddings in the temple. I think this is really causing a lot of people a lot of heartburn. There is really no reason not to let it happen other than perhaps letting them witness the "patriarchal grip". The funny clothes might be a real shocker, but I think non-mos could be prepared for that one.
I'm not so sure the Morg would relent as easily for members who were once card carriers but no longer believed. I think they would prefer to still let us "suffer" outside.
(1) the following scriptural verses will be deleted:
John 13:34
1 John 4:7-8
1 Corinthians 13 [entire chapter]
Galatians 5:14
Matthew 22:36-40
Romans 13:8-10
Colossians 3:14
Ephesians 5:2
I Thessalonians 4:9
The text corresponding to these may be left blank/empty (a la the Jehovah Witnesses' old green dragon), *OR* they may get replaced with stern, simplistic platitudes about unquestioning loyalty. I've got 5:4 odds on the latter.
(2) The official title of Packer's mantle will be renamed: 'Prophet, Seer, Revelator, and Grand Imperial Wizard'
(3) BYU's Motto (and the corresponding D&C 93:36) will be changed to "The Glory of God is Lockstep Obedience"
(4) Seminary and Institute Teachers will have to be re-certified every summer at a 9-week intensive bootcamp at a secret compound in Provo Canyon surrounded by high concrete fences topped with rolled razor-wire; this bootcamp, incorporating "wear them down" techniques, will culminate in an inspirational, tear-inducing, swearing of fealty ceremony that will revive the gory self-execution penalties that were removed from the temple ceremony in 1990. [Boyd's favorite part -he's still pissed that they were taken out!]
(5a) The official sustaining of General Authorities in conferences (ward / stake / regional / general) will be modified; the show of hands will only be valid with fingers tightly together, elbow straight, and angled slightly forward toward the podium from the shoulder. On a related note (5b) the temple ceremony will have the word "Heil" (or perhaps "Sieg Heil") worked into it at least 4 places.
1. The whole temple idea. I think temples will be used for something other than a secrect ritual. Hinkmiester already started that one by denying the god once a man thing.
2. The whole prophet on the earth today. When was the last time a "prophet" had any kind of prophecy? The will keep the idea of Apostles for the sake of tradition, but abondon the idea that these guys are talking to god.
3. Slowly the church will start to publicly disclaim all the urban legands out there. The end times ones for sure.
All this will be the LDS inc look a lot more like the Southern Baptists.
If they have any hopes of keeping young women interested in marring Joe Mormon they'll have to get rid of the whole multiple wives after death stuff. These young girls today are having nothing to do with that. And they know they don't "need" a man, the joy is in "wanting" a man to share time and eternity with.
I think the whole view on men and women will have to change if they hope to keep things going for very long. Not long ago I was at a young aduld function; the way these college age girls were talking the did not seek the same kind of guy that the church thinks they sould seek. A lot of talk about finishing college, and making fun a these RMs who go on for hours about their missions.
In general LDS inc will need to gain REAL respect for women instead of simply telling them how important they are.
OK, here is my list (a little tongue in cheek).
1. Bikini cut garments.
2. Meetings cut down to 1 hour blocks, with readers digest condensed lessons.
3. We have no recollection of doing those things in the temple.
4. After praying and arguing with God many long hours, homosexuals will be allowed temple marriage (this one I really believe will happen, but not until social pressure climbs about 10 fold from now).
5. Testimony meetings will be changed to have the Bishop or designate read affidavit like testimonials (there goes the crying and the embarrassing diatribes).
6. DNA evidence will be accepted, and the brethren will categorically deny that the BOM was meant to take literally. They will use Paul H. Dunn as their spin doctor for this.
7. Beer and wine and caffeinated drinks will be allowed. Not by revelation, but they will simply quit asking the questions on the temple recommend (don't ask don't tell).
"The following are some excerpts from 'The Reconstruction of Mormon Doctrine: From Joseph Smith to Progressive Theology' by Thomas G. Alexander which appeared in Sunstone, July-August 1980. Alexander teaches at BYU. His thoughts tie in well with my essay on the changing nature of God in LDS doctrine."
He's been dead since 1998. As far as I can tell, he is still dead.
04/12/2003 - anon
I prophecy that so long as Mormons lure people into their cult, those of
us that saw our way out of the web will continue to poke fun at the event!
08/11/2001 - anon
I prophecy that this website will not last as long as Joseph Smith's secret plural marriage to his first wife's best friend, Eliza R. Snow.
05/09/2002 - from Lisa
Looks like you were wrong Eliza, about the website, just as you were
about the Prophet. I imagine it was quite disheartining when you heard he went
for William Law's wife. You know how it is, when men start revelating
with their thing. Power of the priesthood be in me!!
Wherefore my servant Joseph did translate even with my power and authority a portion of the gold plates delivered unto his hand by my servant Moroni, as a witness of the workings of my people upon the promised land, and as warning unto the world that they may learn and walk in righteousness before me. And I have heard the prayers and pleadings from the righteous who desire to know of me, and who rejoice in the revealed words of my humble prophets. For truly the time has come when the prayers of these righteous souls shall be answered and the hitherto sealed portions of the gold plates shall be revealed unto the world.
Let those that have eyes see and those that have ears hear and those that have the spirit of discernment understand the greatest truth that I can reveal unto the world. Even as I created the heavens and the earth did I create a similitude of the Father and his only begotten son for all to plainly see. And I did cause the moon to be given unto the earth. And just as the son doth glorify the father and the father the son so doth the earth glorify the moon and the moon the earth.
And now I will have mercy upon creation and reveal truth unto men, that they may praise the name of the father forever. Even before the fish of the sea and the birds of the air were created did we open up the heavens from past earths and celestial glories already attained and the cows thereof did supply such quantities of milk as are beyond the ability of the world to fathom. And this was then made into the most exquisite and precious and beautiful green cheese, beyond the ability to imagine. Wherefore I caused this green cheese to be fashioned into the moon. And to protect the moon did I cause a rock layer to be strewn over the entire surface. And only at the end of the fullness of the dispensation of times will I cause the rock layer to be removed, that the world may witness the full glory of this creation, and rejoice in my name.
And let my servants now proclaim unto the ends of the earth that the moon is made of the most exquisite and precious and beautiful green cheese. And let the hard-hearted and godless souls who have hitherto rejected the message of the restored gospel be warned that whosoever rejecteth the plain and simple truth of the moon being made of the most exquisite and precious and beautiful green cheese shall be utterly destroyed. And for those that reject this most sacred truth, there shall be no redemption in this life or the next, for this sin is too great that my blood might cover it.
And now I reveal unto you, my faithful servants, line upon line and precept upon precept, where ye may seek the sealed gold plates. And I did cause Moroni to place them in the thin rock layer that doth cover the exquisite and precious and beautiful green cheese that is the moon.
Wherefore let three apostles be called and appointed and anointed for the sacred mission to retrieve the gold plates. And let the salt flats of Deseret, which I prepared for this purpose even before Adam was created, be used for the construction of ships after the manner of that which the world hath already built for the great expanse of space. And my servants, even the three appointed apostles of my restored Church, will cross the sea of space and land in the middle of the visible part of the moon from earth. And I will then cause my servant Moroni to show unto my servants the apostles the gold plates, and the seal thereupon shall be loosened, and the most sacred and precious things shall be revealed unto you that I would have blessed the Nephites.
For now I speak great truths unto you that I verily caused the Nephites to build ships, and I did instruct them carefully as to the craftsmanship thereof, to take them into the heavens, even unto the moon. And I revealed unto them the most sacred truth of the moon being made of the most exquisite and precious and beautiful green cheese, and I did cause for one night the rocky layer to be removed so that they could glory in the utmost beauty and grandeur of my creation and praise my name forever.
But behold the Nephites did fall into all manner of wickedness and did reject my words and my prophets so that I withdrew this truth and knowledge from them. And on the ships their Liahonas did fail them because of the wickedness in their souls and the ships did become lost on that greatest ocean of all and the inhabitants did bitterly perish.
And therefor attend wisely unto the accomplishment of these things, with righteousness in your hearts and an eye single to the glory of God. For if ye will walk in righteousness before me and verily purify my Church, then ye shall inherit Eternal life and exaltation. And even as I shall establish my Church upon the moon and later upon Mars, so shall ye in your perfected state travel unto galaxies and stars beyond your imaginations, even unto Kolob and beyond.
Now go forth and accomplish my glory. Even so. Amen
Fruitful bough, supposedly prophesying Lehi's crossing of the ocean - Genesis 49:22 - Joseph [is] a fruitful bough, [even] a fruitful bough by a well; [whose] branches run over the wall:
Two sticks, supposedly prophesying the combining of the Bible and the Book of Mormon - Ezekiel 37:16 ff - Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and [for] all the house of Israel his companions: 17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand. ... 21 ... Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land...
Other Sheep, supposedly prophesying Jesus' visit to the Nephites - John 10:16 - And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, [and] one shepherd.
Familiar spirit out of the ground, supposedly prophesying the Gold Plates being retrieved from their burial place in the Hill Cumorah - Isaiah 29:4 And thou shalt be brought down, [and] shalt speak out of the ground, and thy speech shall be low out of the dust, and thy voice shall be, as of one that hath a familiar spirit, out of the ground, and thy speech shall whisper out of the dust.
Side comment: Mormons don't mention that the word for "familiar spirit" is Hebrew 'ob,' occuring about fifteen times in the Bible. It does NOT mean "a spirit which sounds familiar to you (because it is written in the style of the King James Bible), as most Mormons think, but it means the spirit of a dead person, that is, the necromantic summoning of a ghost, which is everywhere condemned in the Bible as abominable (e.g. Deuteronomy 18:10-12).
Send Elijah, a prophecy of Elijah's role in the modern restoration (e.g. D&C 110:13) - Malachi 4:5-6 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD: 6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.
Side comment: Mormons overlook the fact that this prophecy was already fulfilled in John the Baptist (Matt 11:14, Mark 9:11, Luke 1:17).
Sealed book, a prophecy of Professor Anthon's conversation with Martin Harris - Isaiah 29:11-14 And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which [men] deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it [is] sealed: 12 And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.
There are others, of course. How did the Mormons come to find such passages, and to interpret them as prophecies in support of Mormonism? It's really quite simple. It's a technique that was developed by Jewish scholars in the last centuries before the common era, and used to great advantage by New Testament writers, especially the author of the Gospel of Matthew. You simply scour the older, authoritative writings, for some favorable phrase or sentence that might apply to what you would like to believe was "prophesied," and - I guarantee it - you will find much material.
Personally, I do not believe in divine prophecy. But I can apply the technique, and can find prophecies aplenty.
If Mormons pull the prophecy ploy on you, then, you might reply in kind:
Psalms 3:7 - Arise, O LORD; save me, O my God: for thou hast smitten all mine enemies [upon] the cheek bone; thou hast broken the teeth of the ungodly.
Psalms 58:6 - Break their teeth, O God, in their mouth: break out the great teeth of the young lions, O LORD.
Proverbs 25:19 - Confidence in an unfaithful man in time of trouble [is like] a broken tooth, and a foot out of joint.
JS denied continually that the Mormons were practicing plural marriage; he insisted he had only one wife, as late as 1844: "What a thing it is for a man to be accused of committing adultery, and having seven wives, when I can only find one. I am the same man, and as innocent as I was fourteen years ago; and I can prove them all perjurers." (HoC 6:411) This lying was prophesied over 2000 years before!:
Jeremiah 48:10 - Cursed [be] he that doeth the work of the LORD deceitfully,... (Compare D&C 50:17-18: Verily I say unto you, he that is ordained of me and sent forth to preach the word of truth by the Comforter, in the Spirit of truth, doth he preach it by the Spirit of truth or some other way? 18 And if it be by some other way it is not of God.)
Revelation 2:2 - I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars...
Revelation 2:4 is a prophecy of Joseph Smith's unfaithfulness to his wife Emma: Nevertheless I have [somewhat] against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
Revelation 21:8 prophesies Smith's adulteries, his dabbling in magic, and his lying:
8 But the ... whoremongers, and sorcerers, ... and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Jeremiah 29:21-23 prophesies his adulteries with his friends' wives while pretending to be a prophet - 21 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, of [false prophets]... 23 Because they have committed villany in Israel, and have committed adultery with their neighbours' wives, and have spoken lying words in my name, which I have not commanded them; even I know, and [am] a witness, saith the LORD.
Even modern prophecy condemns Smith's sins (this is a useful quote when Mormons ask us to overlook Smith's little "mistakes"):
D&C 50:26-28 (speaking of the president of the church): He that is ordained of God and sent forth, the same is appointed to be the greatest, notwithstanding he is the least and the servant of all. 27 Wherefore, he is possessor of all things; for all things are subject unto him, both in heaven and on the earth, the life and the light, the Spirit and the power, sent forth by the will of the Father through Jesus Christ, his Son. 28 But no man is possessor of all things except he be purified and cleansed from all sin.
Joseph Smith was not a humble man, but rather boasted of his achievements. One of his most famous boasts, made May 26, 1844, shortly before his death, is in the History of the Church 6:408-409:
"Come on! ye prosecutors! ye false swearers! All hell, boil over! Ye burning mountains, roll down your lava! for I will come out on the top at last. I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days [p.409] of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet."
Smith was not aware, apparently, of the Biblical prophetic warnings:
Proverbs 27:1-2 - Boast not thyself of to morrow; for thou knowest not what a day may bring forth. 2 Let another man praise thee, and not thine own mouth; a stranger, and not thine own lips.
Proverbs 26:12 - Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? [there is] more hope of a fool than of him.
Isaiah 10:15 - Shall the axe boast itself against him that heweth therewith? [or] shall the saw magnify itself against him that shaketh it?
Even his own prophecies warned him: D&C 3:4 - For although a man may have many revelations, and have power to do many mighty works, yet if he boasts in his own strength, and sets at naught the counsels of God, and follows after the dictates of his own will and carnal desires, he must fall and incur the vengeance of a just God upon him.
This is one of the few prophecies of Joseph Smith which was quickly fulfilled, since he was killed barely one month after making his public boast.
Joseph Smith's false prophecies were also prophesied of in the Bible. (Almost none of his prophecies were fulfilled; see a listing at JOSEPH SMITH AS A PROPHET.)
Deuteronomy 18:20-22 - But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. 21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? 22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that [is] the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, [but] the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
Jeremiah 5:31 - The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love [to have it] so...
Jeremiah 23:16 - Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, [and] not out of the mouth of the LORD.
Jeremiah 14:14 - Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.
Side comment: Note that this was said at the time Lehi was a "prophet" in Jerusalem.
Matthew 24:11 - And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Matthew 24:24 - For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Joseph Smith claimed that he was ministered to by three personages claiming to be Peter, James and John. This event was also prophesied in the Bible:
Revelation 16:13 - And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs [come] out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
Q: And this belief in contemporary revelation and prophecy? As the prophet, tell us how that works. How do you receive divine revelation? What does it feel like?
A: Let me say first that we have a great body of revelation, the vast majority of which came from the prophet Joseph Smith. We don't need much revelation. We need to pay more attention to the revelation we've already received.
This situation was also prophesied over 2000 years ago!:
2 Nephi 28:27-30 - Yea, wo be unto him that saith: We have received, and we need no more! ... 29 Wo be unto him that shall say: We have received the word of God, and we need no more of the word of God, for we have enough! 30 For behold, thus saith the Lord God: ... for unto him that receiveth I will give more; and from them that shall say, We have enough, from them shall be taken away even that which they have.
Micah 3:5-11 - Thus saith the LORD concerning the prophets that make my people err, ... 6 Therefore night [shall be] unto you, that ye shall not have a vision; and it shall be dark unto you, that ye shall not divine; and the sun shall go down over the prophets, and the day shall be dark over them. 7 Then shall the seers be ashamed, and the diviners confounded: yea, they shall all cover their lips; for [there is] no answer of God. ... 11 The heads thereof judge for reward, and the priests thereof teach for hire, and the prophets thereof divine for money: yet will they lean upon the LORD, and say, [Is] not the LORD among us? none evil can come upon us.
The LDS church has employed a public relations firm to promote its image, and is trying to appeal to a broader Christian audience. It is obvious that Hinckley's purpose is to make the church more popular, more acceptable. This was also prophesied:
1 Nephi 22:23 For the time speedily shall come that all churches which ... are built up to become popular in the eyes of the world, and those who seek the lusts of the flesh and the things of the world, and to do all manner of iniquity; yea, in fine, all those who belong to the kingdom of the devil are they who need fear, and tremble, and quake; they are those who must be brought low in the dust; they are those who must be consumed as stubble; and this is according to the words of the prophet.
The LDS church has just completed it new conference hall, seating 21,000. This building was also prophesied:
1 Nephi 8:26-33 And I also cast my eyes round about, and beheld, on the other side of the river of water, a great and spacious building; and it stood as it were in the air, high above the earth. 27 And it was filled with people, both old and young, both male and female; and their manner of dress was exceedingly fine; and they were in the attitude of mocking and pointing their fingers towards those who had come at and were partaking of the fruit. ... 31 And he also saw other multitudes feeling their way towards that great and spacious building. ... 33 And great was the multitude that did enter into that strange building. And after they did enter into that building they did point the finger of scorn at me and those that were partaking of the fruit also; but we heeded them not.
Hinckley has boasted that: 1) many temples are being built; half a dozen per year are being dedicated. The Medford temple (typical) cost $3.5 million. Based on those figures, one can estimate $21 million per year is spent on temple construction. 2) the LDS church donated, over a ten-year period, $150 million to charitable purposes, i.e. $15 million per year. This situation was also prophesied:
Mormon 8:37 For behold, ye do love money, and your substance, and your fine apparel, and the adorning of your churches, more than ye love the poor and the needy, the sick and the afflicted.
2 Nephi 28:13 They rob the poor because of their fine sanctuaries; they rob the poor because of their fine clothing; and they persecute the meek and the poor in heart, because in their pride they are puffed up.
Hinckley's general message to the church and to the world is: The church is prospering! This was also prophesied:
2 Nephi 28:21 And others will he [the devil] pacify, and lull them away into carnal security, that they will say: All is well in Zion; yea, Zion prospereth, all is well--and thus the devil cheateth their souls, and leadeth them away carefully down to hell.
To get a temple recommend one must pay a full tithe. As part of the temple ceremony, one is "washed clean from the blood and sins of this generation." This was also prophesied:
Mormon 8:32 Yea, it shall come in a day when there shall be churches built up that shall say: Come unto me, and for your money you shall be forgiven of your sins.
The modern LDS testimony meeting follows a pattern which has become traditional in the church. Those who wish to speak ("bear testimony") go to the pulpit, which is usually raised above the level of the audience, and which is called "the stand" in a Mormon chapel. They there say whatever the spirit moves them to say; however, it almost always includes the same rote statements: "I know the Gospel is true; I know that the Book of Mormon is true; I know that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God; I know that Gordon B. Hinckley [or whoever the current prophet may be] is a prophet of God; I am grateful that I have been blessed to be born in this day and age when the Gospel has been restored..." This phenomenon was accurately described (and condemned) in prophecy:
Alma 31:13 - For they had a place built up in the center of their synagogue, a place for standing, which was high above the head; and the top thereof would only admit one person. 14 Therefore, whosoever desired to worship must go forth and stand upon the top thereof, and stretch forth his hands towards heaven, and cry with a loud voice, saying: 15 Holy, holy God; we believe that thou art God, ...[16] we believe that thou hast elected us to be thy holy children; ... 17 But thou art the same yesterday, today, and forever; and thou hast elected us that we shall be saved, whilst all around us are elected to be cast by thy wrath down to hell; for the which holiness, O God, we thank thee; and we also thank thee that thou hast elected us, ... 18 And again we thank thee, O God, that we are a chosen and a holy people. Amen.... 20 For behold, every man did go forth and offer up these same prayers. 21 Now the place was called by them Rameumptom, which, being interpreted, is the holy stand. 22 Now, from this stand they did offer up, every man, the selfsame prayer unto God, thanking their God that they were chosen of him, ...
When Gordon B. Hinckley was de facto head of the church, he was unable to detect the forgeries of Mark Hofmann. He was also unable to translate the papyrii given to the church in 1966 from which JS produced the Book of Abraham. If he were really a prophet, that should not have been the case:
Mosiah 8:17 - But a seer can know of things which are past, and also of things which are to come, and by them shall all things be revealed, or, rather, shall secret things be made manifest, and hidden things shall come to light, and things which are not known shall be made known by them, and also things shall be made known by them which otherwise could not be known.
Moroni 10:5 - And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things.
Amos 3:7 - Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.
D&C 107:91-92 - And again, the duty of the President of the office of the High Priesthood is to preside over the whole church, and to be like unto Moses-- 92 Behold, here is wisdom; yea, to be a seer, a revelator, a translator, and a prophet, having all the gifts of God which he bestows upon the head of the church.
Even the fact that the Mormon false prophets will be uncovered and exposed by people living in Utah was prophesied. Notice that in this prophecy, it is not the leaders of the people who will expose the frauds, but "the inhabitants" (e.g., the Tanners, who are "inhabitants" of Utah [Zion]):
D&C 64:38-39 - For it shall come to pass that the inhabitants of Zion shall judge all things pertaining to Zion. 39 And liars and hypocrites shall be proved by them, and they who are not apostles and prophets shall be known.
The vicissitudes and tribulation of the modern church were also foreseen in prophecy, and these prophecies indicate that the modern church is not in God's good favor:
Deuteronomy 29:28 prophesied the moves from Kirtland to Missouri to Illinois to Utah:
28 And the LORD rooted them out of their land in anger, and in wrath, and in great indignation, and cast them into another land, as [it is] this day.
And the 1847 move to the Great Salt Lake Valley, an uninhabited desert, was clearly prophesied (I think this is my FAVORITE Biblical prophecy!):
Jeremiah 17:5-6 - Thus saith the LORD; Cursed [be] the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD. 6 For he shall be like the heath in the desert, and shall not see when good cometh; but shall inhabit the parched places in the wilderness, [in] a salt land and not inhabited.
I hope that these notes will help you to counter Mormon claims that Mormonism is true "because it was prophesied"!
And I hope you can do it without being as obviously tongue-in-cheek as I am.
(Try "finding prophecies" yourself! It's great fun, especially in places like Aesop, Grimm's Fairy Tales, Mother Goose...)
- 05/27/2000 - Richard in Oregon
05/25/2000 - anon
Wasn't He at General Conference?
12/21/1999 - Mac
When the Elders of Neek receive their Shrubbery's
12/12/1999 - anon
Are there Marriot's in the Terrestial Kingdom? Should I be making reservations now?
12/10/1999 - Bummer Dude
Joseph Smith I admit, may have had one "revelation" that actually came true (sort of).
1) He said that things should be wrapped up when he was 85. (1890)
2) Brigham Young said the everlasting truth was that, unless a man engaged in "The Principle", (polygamy), he could not enter the Celestial Kingdom
3) Brigham's successor genuflected to the U.S. government and declared that no longer would polygamous marriages (on earth) be valid, in 1890. Brigham made no such distinction.
Conclusion: A male must have engaged in Church-santioned plural marriage to be elgible for the CK. Yet the church doesnt authorize such marriages. Result=The Terrestial Kingdom is going to be a lot more crowded than TBM's think!
12/06/1999 - Mr. Toad
Ezra Taft Benson
"His Church has been reestablished among men with all the
spiritual gifts enjoyed anciently. All this is done in preparation for Christ's second coming. The great and dreadful day of the Lord is near at hand. In preparation for this great event and as a means of escaping the impending judgments, inspired messengers have gone forth to the nations of the earth carrying this testimony and warning.
This great time is drawing near. There is every evidence that His second coming is near at hand.... Not many years hence Christ will come again.
("Joy in Christ," Ensign 16 [March 1986]: 5.)
Note - of course with such fuzzy phrases like "not many years" and "time is drawing near" and "near at hand" completely sidesteps the question of when. What is meant by "not many"?
For comparison, Elder Joseph B. Wirthlin said in the Oct '98 General Conference, Perhaps in an effort to escape the challenges of our times, a few voices proclaim that the Second Coming of the Savior is imminent. Perhaps, but the Lord could not have been more plain when He said of His triumphal return to the earth, "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."
Ok, what gives - Benson's "real soon now" vs Wirthlin's "no one knows".
Q: How can one know "real soon" without knowing when?
A: They can't!
Bottom line: Theological nonsense to keep the masses in line. Mr Toad 12/02/1999
I read the 'prophecy' and had a very good laugh !!! You should be a comedian ... ;o)
I am a former Mormon, still living in Utah. I doubt though that Utah will become so powerful, but it was a good story... ha ha ha... ;o) - 04/21/2008 - Alan
First of all President Hinckley died in a month ago in 2008, President Monson just became president and is still alive, and third of all 2012 is the end of days.... your predictions are all wrong you are wrong wrong i tell you - 03/10/2008 - maddude
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