My wife is from Seattle and one of her relatives has worked for Nordstrom's for years and now is a top executive in the company. She started as a sale's rep and worked her way up the ladder. She helped Eric Nordstrom run the Mall of America store. From selling merchandise, to being a buyer, to managing stores, to working at corporate, this person has seen every level of a higher end retail clothing chain.

My side of the family are contractors. My dad built luxery homes and lodges in the Sun Valley area. My uncle is a big industrial contractor in the Las Vegas area and knows a lot about large projects that are suppossed to attract people.

My uncle laughed and said the church is trying to build the Belagio in downtown Salt Lake City without the gambeling. Of course he was joking because the new mall won't be anything close to the Belagio. He says $1.5 billion is a lot of capital investment to recover and the new mall could become outdated before that happens or worse, be a big loser from the get go.

The Norstrom executive said large malls do well in very cold climates like Edmonton or Minniapolis but in a place like Salt Lake City with nice malls in the suberbs why would enough people go to make such a huge project work? She said Nordstroms wanted to get out of the Crossroads Plaza mall that the church owned to relocate to the Gateway Plaza Mall and the church was not nice to deal with and held them to their lease. Now the church is going to demolish the Crossroads Plaza Mall. She said how can little ol' Salt Lake rent high end space with the Gateway Mall a few blocks west?

Apparently the church is already hitting up Cartier and Gucci to be future tennants.

My uncle laughed and said they better pay the chuch employee better since the church is the largest employer in Utah. He just sighed and said the church is building it's Vatican since metropolitan SLC has evolved into a liberal city with a difersified minority base. Mormons are actually a minority. The church feels threatened by this and is willing to spend so much money in downtown Salt Lake, they make their presence known. They are trying to make everything church owned bigger and better.

In short, the church is trying to compensate for it's shrinkage by building another huge masterpiece across from Temple Square. It's not a wise use of the money, but since when has the church ever been wise with it's money. It's been broke for most of it's history and almost went broke again in the late 1950's due to overexpansion.

Amazing. When the church caught flak for closing the old Hotel Utah, Gordon B. Hinckley told the saints the church was losing money on it. He then addmitted the church wasn't very good at running commercial enterprises and these were better managed by the private sector than the church. So Gordo admitted the church doesn't run businesses well. Go figure.

Excellent observation - Cults in decline, from "The Guru Papers" - by John Corrill

Rubicon said: "In short, the church is trying to compensate for it's shrinkage by building another huge masterpiece across from Temple Square".

From "The Guru Papers: Masks of Authoritarian Power", (Kramer & Alstad): "When a [spiritual leader] realizes that most people are not going to acknowledge him, he often compensates (if he can afford it) by building monumental edifices that proclaim hes greatness. This includes monuments or temples, buildings, model communities, and "learning centers."...This not only keeps disciples busy and distracted, but it is necessary because the flow of resources that came with expansion has greatly diminished. This glorification of work always involves improving the leaders property, increasing his wealth or some grandiose project.

I just came from a meeting at our corporate headquarters where the subject of instruction was the current building projects and projected projects in Utah and SLC and how we (my company) are going to meet the needs.

Some interesting facts that came from the meeting.

1. The City Creek Center:

a. Our company estimates that the true cost will be $6 – $8 billion dollars. This is based on the following facts.

1. This is a fast tract project. The construction of one 22 story tower and two 18 story towers would normally take three to five years alone. Add in all the auxiliary buildings, infrastructure (sewer, waterlines, communication lines, etc. - oh yes and the mole people tunnels), street level improvements, etc. It costs a lot of money to keep a project like this on track for the short amount of construction time available. After all they are destroying two city blocks and replacing them new in 48 months (project end date to be 2011). As the presenter stated “Imagine if two city blocks in Manhattan were to be removed and replaced, oh that’s right, the “Freedom” towers and complex are. Could that be done in 48 months? NO WAY. The “Freedom” tower alone is projected to take six to eight years.“ (by the way, the Freedom tower is only one city block).

2. Competition from current construction projects for labor. Legacy Highway, Draper Temple, South Jordan Temple, TRAX expansion, Commuter Rail, Housing projects like Kennecott Day Break, Retail and Commercial construction to service the current construction projects etc., all have placed a demand on available man power and crafts. To compete with these projects the City Creek Center construction companies (Jacobson, Oakland and Big D) are going to have to pay premium wages and salaries. This means no more day labors at $5.25 per hour. Our company projects that a helper is going to be paid $14.50 per hour. Can you say Hurricane Katrina prices?

3. Competition from current construction projects for materials. To compete with the current projects the City Creek Center construction companies (Jacobson, Oakland and Big D) are going to have to pay premium prices for materials. Even with the Mormon church buying direct from the manufacturers, the materials will be more expensive as the delivery dates will cause the materials to be rush orders. The Mormon church is notorious for waiting until the last minute to purchase materials (maybe they think that construction supplies will be found on-site every morning like “manna” from heaven?). This fact of delayed buying caused the conference center costs to rise from the projected $315 million estimate to the final cost of $1.1 billion.

4. There currently is a shortage of qualified workers. Our company estimates that when started City Creek Center will demand an extra 25 000 to 35 000 workers. Our company estimates that mid project there will be over 100 000 construction workers needed. These individuals will have to come from out of state. (So, if you can swing a hammer and bend a nail, head to SLC, hell if you own a hammer come to SLC). Funny side note, unless they make construction of the City Creek Center a mission calling, the influx of workers are not going to be Mormon. So not only are they going to over pay for the workers, they will loose 10% more of their money.

5. The cost of just getting to “zero dirt” our company estimates will be between $450 - $650 million. This includes demolition of the current buildings, moving and relocating (breaking leases) tenants out of the current buildings, removing all current utilities and replacing with new that meet up to date requirements (seismic, materials, etc.).

One of the presenters expressed the biggest concern. FAST TRACK = FAST CRAP. What he means is that the City Creek Center will be built on 7 day cures for the concrete (7 days is the minimum allowed, whereas 28 day is the best cure), hastily constructed supports, minimum welds, and every other short cut that can be done to save time.

He pointed out that the Conference center was a fast track and it is already having major problems (leaking roof, panels falling off, interior wall are wet, etc.).

Yes kiddies, believe it or not, there is more. Part 2 is coming soon.

Church Office Buidling: crappy, sick building by substrate

Anyone who has worked in the COB as I have knows how poorly constructed that building is. My friend, who is a structural engineer at the COB, told me that the concrete facade was not attached properly and will eventually come off. Most interior walls are cheap vinyl dividers, and everything was obviously done "on the cheap."

While I was there, they did a "peripheral unit retrofit," wherein they replaced all the airflow vents with smaller vents. This kicked up clouds of dust for weeks, and I have had allergies since then. Also, while there I developed an infection of the cartilage between my ribs that would not go away until a few weeks after I quit. Coincidence? Maybe.

Jeez, I sound paranoid, but it really was a crappy place to work.

How did you forget to mention the CARPETS!!! by Nom de Cypher

The same sick carpets that have been there since the building was built in the 70s, and it shows.

Just looking at the carpet made me a little queasy. And I'm sorry, but I had to laugh outloud when I saw that they were patching up rips with duct tape. Seems like a fitting metaphor.

This is Just the Beginning of Cost Over rides by Construction Man

Anyone in the construction business knows that their are unexpected costs before you start the project. So a certain amount is set aside. In the project thsi big no-one nows what those costs are. The owners miss something and their is another charge for that. Given the fact that their is a concrete shortage in North America right now, it will be hard to predict how this affects the costs of a job. Right now in Toronto constrction companies are out bidding each other just to get concrete and remember this mall has not even started a building yet. How does this affect costs.

There is also a copper shortage so this affect the electrical work. These shortages are caused by world wide demands. As for 7 day cure vs 21 day curse its a big problem too.

Bottom line I think I will like to work on this project for all the overtime. Plus seeing jsut how cheap this mall will realy be built. Reminds me of the Bountiful temple. I saw all these pictures and went wow. Then went to temple to find what I thought was solid blocks of rocks and stones were only plastic. Even inside what looked like plaster wwas plastic. What a disappointment. God's house was made of plastic instead of solid materials, but it looks like marble and stone.

2. Salt Lake Valley Temples (Draper and South Jordan)

These are a fast track projects. The construction of the two temples has been accelerated. Reason – The Salt Lake City temple needs seismic up grades so the two new temples will be constructed on a fast track schedule (one and a half years). This means crappy construction, cost over-runs, construction delays, etc. I discussed in Part 1 of my posting. Probable cost of each temple Draper – $450 million, South Jordan $385 million.

3. Ensign Plaza South

The Mormon church is concerned about the blight that surrounds the Ogden temple. Therefore they are constructing a five story office tower named Ensign Plaza South. The project is under construction at this time. The cost is estimated at $75 – 125 million.

4. Church Office Building

As I discussed in another thread, the COB concrete facing is disintegrating because of rebar corrosion. The Mormon church plans on re-facing the BIG PENIS starting about 2008. An announcement will be made that the structure is aging, needs seismic up grades and in order to preserve the continuity of Temple Square a new façade of Granite will be used to cover the steel framing. At this same time true seismic up grading (cross beam supports, shear planes, etc.) will be done. The costs will be between $350 – $750 million, depending on how much remodeling is done.

The COB was (as noted in Part 1) built on the cheap. Henry B. Moyle almost spent the Mormon church into bankruptcy with his building projects. Being the faithful that he was, Elder Moyle conveniently had a heart attack and died while on vacation so the Brethren didn’t have to excommunicate him. Faithful bastard.

5. Salt Lake City Temple

When conducting the seismic up grade to the Tabernacle, the Mormon church discovered several problems not found in the original evaluation of the structure. The renovation of the Tabernacle has become more involved and costlier. An investigation of the Salt Lake City Temple has revealed some of the same flaws. Because of this the structure has to be renovated for seismic and other requirements. Whereas the Tabernacle cost $175 million to renovate the estimates on the Temple is between $250 – 450 million.

Remember all these projects are to be completed by 2011. Total costs $10.1 billion. If you include the Conference center ($1.1 billion) the total spending in Utah not to include chapels and stake centers $11.2 billion dollars.

Yeah, they need my money for feeding the poor, nurturing the needy, housing the homeless, etc.

The Land of Knee-high Levis - A specialty boutique featuring garment compatible denim shorts.

Hagoth's Travel - Book your South Pacific cruises here.

Paul H. Dunn, Bookseller - fiction only.

Captain Moroni's Military Surplus - Steel swords a specialty.

Joe's Magic Shop - Get your seerstones and Jupiter talismans.

Cureloms and Things - An exotic pet store. Yes, they carry tapirs!

Sherri's Crafts - Features a wide collection of Relief Society homemaking night crafts. Turkey carcass sleighs! Tampon angels! Look, you can't beat this stuff.

The Last Days - Food storage and survival supplies for those saints anxiously awaiting the second coming.

First Visions - A complete collection of Mormon cinema on DVD. Currently featuring the last 25 years of General Conference box set.

Jeffs' Bridal Shop - A "family" business from Southern Utah (and Texas, and British Columbia).

Boyd's Little Factory Outlet - A wholesale porn store fronted by a plumbing suppy and fertilizer distributor.

Emma's Secret - lingerie for Mormons - by Dagny

The Steak Center - Meat is only served after the milk of course. - by mishie friend

Build-A- Testimonkey Store - Kids get to make and stuff their own cute little TestiMonkey. Stuffed with missionary tracts, says "I know the Church is Twooo" when squeezed. - by Turnip

Your Body is Our Temple - Featuring temple-worthy clothing for all temple-worthy lifestyles. - by toto

Sunbeam Sunshine Daycare Center - Where to drop off the tots while you shop - by the time you return, here are songs they will learn... "I Hope They Call Me On A Mission", "We Thank Thee Oh God For A Profit", - Bring 'em, we'll train 'em. - by toto

The Golden Plates - Faux jewelry with that realistic look and feel. - by toto

Gateway East - A mini outside mall within the bigger mall to remind customers of the former shopping experience at the Gateway. - by toto

TabernacO - Get your thrill while listening to the best of Donny & Marie and other famous Mormon musical artists. Special musical collections include a body-length poster of Donny in his "coat of many colors" costume. - by toto

Saintzz Fanzz - Sports apparel for fanzz of BYU, BYU-Idaho, and BYU Hawaii. It also features a special Steve Young memorabilia section. - by anon

The Kirtland (anti-) Banking Society - Tendering the finest tinder since 1836. - by Fundor The Magnificent

Smith Tokens and Signs - An endowment while you shop. (Of course we sell them for money!) - by Fundor The Magnificent

Club Brigham - A private club for (caucasian) members. - by Fundor The Magnificent

A New Store - Patterned after the old one where we used to shop. - by Fundor The Magnificent

Raukeeyang Big and Tall - We'll cover your expanse. - by Fundor The Magnificent

Monson's Musings - Children's storybooks for adults. - by Fundor The Magnificent

J. Golden's Joke Shop - Face it. As a Mormon, you need all the laughs you can get. - by Fundor The Magnificent

The Home Despot - Supplies to help a priesthood holder ensure his family's house is in order. - by Fundor The Magnificent

The Pyramid Shoppe - The Pyramid Shoppe sells franchises so you can start your own Pyramid Shoppe. Sell 100 and become a "Diamond Level Distributor." Work in your spare time and earn big money! - by MarkJ

Eddie Bowyer Head and say Yes. - Signs, tokens and covenants sold cheap. - by Jerry

Nordstrom's Blessed - Blessed is best by far. - by Jerry

Victoria's Sacred (Not Secret) Come in and take a peek. - by Jerry

Oh My Heck we are FARMS (Hickory Farms in case that was a stretch) - Get bologna slow smoked and mirrored by FARMS workers in the Provo Valley. - by Jerry

House of Jello - Every Jell-O recipe ever invented.

Fanny's - A Hooters style restaurant. Would have been Joe Smith's favorite eatery.

Danny's Donuts - Official hangout for FARMS-BYU aficianados.

McMorgs Hamburgers - Home of the famous Milkburger - 'cause you ain't ready for the meat!

Kokoabeam Hot Chocolate Shoppe - No Word of Wisdom violations here.

The Bishop's Food Court - If you don't like the food, the Bishop will excommunicate you! - by wine country girl

The Mouse House - Small meals for small families. - by toto

Joe's Tavern - Enjoy our famous pale "A" ale. - by Fundor The Magnificent

White N’ Delightsome (Caucasian-only Mormon restaurant) - Good ol' brethrens' club. - by WordSmith

Salt Lake City (UPI)--The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints announced today the inauguration of a new program to augment its already successful missionary program.

"We have long been gratified by the selfless service provided by church members over the years, not only among full-time missionaries, but in such church-service activities as extraction and genealogy, volunteer service at church historical sites, and church-service missions in areas such as construction and education," said Presiding Bishop H. David Burton. "In keeping with that spirit, we are pleased to announce a program of Mall Service Missionaries, beginning immediately."

Burton explained that the costs of the two downtown malls in Salt Lake City have risen to unforeseen levels (currently between $1.5 and 2.0 billion), and that members must be prepared to sacrifice of their time, talents, and everything with which the Lord has blessed them to help further this great project in building the kingdom.

"Through a partnership with Zion's Securities, we will be able to ensure near-capacity occupancy in the mall by providing, free of charge, full- and part-time mall service missionaries to staff retail outlets and fast-food franchises. Their much-needed service will lower costs for businesses leasing space and thus better ensure that the church will receive the expected income."

A pilot program has been in place for several months at Provo Towne Center, where bright-eyed missionaries perform such vital work as preparing fast food and selling video games.

"I'm so excited to be here," gushed Amanda Smith of Sioux City, Iowa, sporting a Dillards badge reading "Sister Smith." "People ask me if I was a little disappointed when I received my mission call to sell housewares, but I take the Lord at His word, that there is no difference between the temporal and the spiritual."

"Well, dude, I was kind of bummed at first," said Elder Travis Johnson of Katy, Texas, as he dipped a corn dog into a deep fryer. "I was kind of hoping for someplace like Russia, or something. But you know, I'll go where you want me to go and all that. And besides, I still get to go tracting in the evenings."

Some controversy erupted over the placement of mall service missionaries in businesses that may or may not be in keeping with church standards. "I can tell you that President Packer was not happy with our decision to place sisters in Victoria's Secret, but I assured the brethren that you can be in Victoria's Secret without being of Victoria's Secret."

Burton also suggested that further cost reductions might come through having local wards take turns cleaning the mall each Saturday. "Our members have done more than an adequate job cleaning meetinghouses for several years now. I think they've developed the expertise needed to take on a larger role at the mall. After all, as the Lord said, 'Where much is given, much is required.'"

As a companion to the new Mall Service Mission program, Presiding Bishop H, David Burton announced the Mall Patron Mission today.

“Despite staffing the stores and restaurants of City Creek Center with unpaid volunteer Mall Service Missionaries, customers are staying away in droves, claiming it’s too far to drive from suburbs like Taylorsville and Sandy, or even Sugar House. So, in its infinite wisdom, the First Presidency has authorized the formation of the Mall Patron Mission, whereby faithful members of all ages—particularly in the prime 18-25 and 25-45 demographic groups—are called to shop. As with all other Church missions, the Mall Patron Missionaries will pay their own way.”

These articles are absolutely mindless. The church would NEVER have missionaries running shopping malls or anything of the sort. Missionaries live under strict rules. They aren't allowed to play video games, or listen to the radio, or watch television or anything of that sort while in the mission field. This article itself discredits this entire website for what it really is, a bunch of made up anti-mormon literature from a crazy anti-mormon. - 04/03/2008 - James Cooper

Editor's Note: Hello James, those comments about missionaries running the Mormon Mall are parody and sarcasm. Please stop going to Church and visit a few comedy clubs to widen your awareness.

WOW, this guy has relatives who he bases about all his "FACTS"/opinions on. The title states "A Nordsrom executive see's the Mormon $1.5 billion mall as a huge fiasco". But who is the executive? Why don't you name them and let them give you a direct quote. Because your relatives here and there have said such and such you now have PROOF, EVIDENCE, FACTS that support your claim??? My, oh my, how that SOMEHOW MAKES IT SO. Many people in those industries have many different opinions. SO WHAT??? That makes your OPINION ONLY SUPPORTED BY THIRD PARTY comments SOMEHOW MORE CORRECT because you cite these OTHER relatives. If they have this as a PROFESSIONAL take on the ISSUE, THEN LET THEM STATE the FACTS, NOT your CONDENSED VERSION/INTERPRETATION of conversations with your relatives and HOW you therefore have MADE THE CORRECT "Observation".

I hate to say it but get a life. If the best you can do is create an item like this and really cite nothing more than comments from your OWN relatives you might as well have made it a BLOG.

Because you say so DOES NOT MAKE IT SO, NO MATTER HOW MANY of your relatives you use to support your POINT OF VIEW.

I live in Santa Monica CA. I just read an article about this construction project and wanted to see more about it. So I did a Google search. UNFORTUNATELY your TIRADE appears in the list as an article not as something more like a BLOG. You might just put your rant on You Tube. That is another place I would expect to find this type of thing, with NO REAL FACTS about MOST of it.

Here in the Los Angeles area there have been so numerous projects that were CONTROVERSIAL such as The Disney Concert Hall, The Kodak Center (Oscars), Century City, Santa Monica Promenade, destruction of The Ambassador Hotel (Robert F Kennedy shooting), and so on. The same in NYC especially about rebuilding on the Twin Towers site. You also mentioned the Bellagio and Las Vegas. SO MANY projects there have ALSO been CONTROVERSIAL, including putting a Roller Coaster on the top of a skyscraper.

SO this is CONTROVERSIAL, it would have been nicer to see this as your opinion with no real citing of factual professional sources, instead of masquerading a a news article.

I guess I have just now come across some of the Internet JUNK. - 03/27/2008 - CA Pilot

How Jesus spends his $1.5 billion. Oh you silly apostates!! Don't you know that the Bible wasn't translated correctly?

When Jesus said feed the poor, he meant from the Food Court. And when he said to clothe the naked, he meant from the GAP!! Geeezzzz! The great and spacious mall is in obedience to God's command!! - 03/20/2008 - No Moniker

I am actually a mormon. I was shocked to some comments about LDS church. done by these idiots.I don't care what is your view about our church.I don't care about your religion.Please stop commenting about my church and our leaders.If you have nothing good to say about my religion.STOP IT!!!! - 03/19/2008 - anon

When I was a kid in the '70's we were encouraged to save our pennies in a paper-mache temple to help pay for the Jordan River Temple. Should we pass out paper-mache malls to our sunbeams? - 03/18/2008 - Elohim

The harder morons like you try to discredit the lds church and its leadership the more foolish you look. The church has been assaulted by smarter, more politicaly connected, more ruthless more savoy people then your little group of loosers. As history bears record the more the persicution of the lords church the stronger, bigger more supported the church becomes. If your life is so meaningless that you have nothing better to do but waist your timeand seal your fate in alignment with the evil one so be it but dont kid your self all your doing is strenghtening the richous and embarrsing your self. - 03/14/2008 - reality check

Dude you and your whole family are lost! Does it hurt to be you, or have you come to grips with it. The combination of low I.Q., the internet, and to much time on your hands looks like it will lead to the all to common meandering pontification seen in those who hate the church. I promise it is hatered for yourself, but if you are right and it's a flop, get off your a@# and run for public office....Im sorry for who ever hurt you but it's not your fault. - 03/09/2008 - Joe

Have you ever heard of spellcheck? How about proper grammar structure? Your article is wrought with stereotypes and quotes people who are far from experts. Obviously Nordstrom thinks highly enough of the project to be a part of it, despite the opinion of your wife's relative. I don't think any city in America would turn down the opportunity to have a private entity invest so much in their city. What other mall in the suburbs will compete? The now defunct Cottonwood Mall? How about the crime riddled Valley Fair? The Salamander Society is a bunch of idiots. Thanks for playing, though. - 03/10/2008 - anon

First off, I hope you were joking about the whole missionary training program thing because that was nothing more than a ridiculous concoction of yours attempting to deride the Mormon image. Second, this entire site is completely opinionated to impose your own biased schema of the Mormons. You know as well as anyone that this propaganda (with a few strategically placed facts)is nothing more than a brainchild playing on your Mormon-hatting whim.

"In short, the church is trying to compensate for it's shrinkage by building another huge masterpiece across from Temple Square. It's not a wise use of the money, but since when has the church ever been wise with it's money."

Oh, is that it? That makes sense. They want to scare all the non-mormons out of Utah. Of course! Why didn't I see that?! Explain to me how exactly an international church with almost 15 million members in over 160 countries worldwide, offering billions in humanitarian, educational, and social aid is able to function so well if its finances are in such disarray? I guess God really does bless his "chosen people".

Now I bet you think I'm some sheltered Mormon boy living in a Mormonized Utah suburb with nothing better to do than inform ignorants of their blatant stupidity. As egregiously unaware you clearly are, I am not from Utah; but the second part is true. However, I am from the Bay Area - that's right, as in the San Francisco Bay Area. As in, that one really liberal city in California. I am not Mormon, but happen to have come to greatly respect them. Because, unlike Seattle, Arizona, or wherever you live, we here in the Bay (and the Golden State in general) have learned to live with each other peacefully; completely not threatened by one another. Gay, Lesbian, Balck, White, Brown, Mormon, Catholic, atheist, and Lizard-worshiper alike share the security of being able to live in harmony with one another. This is why I HATE Utah - because there is an innumerable plethora of insecure Mormon-haters such as yourself. I know you're not from Utah, but you'd fit right in. Mormons over here in Cali have it really nice; in that they can live in peace, without the bitting contempt of anti-mormons spewing at them from every direction. Please do us all a favor and disconnect your computer from the internet right now! - 11/24/2007 - Jason

My aren't we on the bitter side of it all! - 11/20/2007 - Sparky

Your all Morons. Just because you lack the faith, dosent mean you need to try to destroy others faith, or is it because your lacking the confidence in your decision or better yet, in your manhood? Dueche-bags - 10/30/2007 - Judas

Hello, everybody knows that the Mall is a cover-up anyway, they are just building a new landing pad for the Mother-Ship................ Being that they have a new Mother-Ship and that the fueling strips they installed on Crossroads plaza during the 1990's cannot accommodate it's new design......... Plus, with all the new technology that "the Church" hoards from the masses, they have to redesign all the underground tunnels and everything else to make sure the landing pad will be safe and secure from the gentiles, when Christ returns for the Saints.............

Jesus doesn't ride a riksha- he has a full battlestar galactica - 08/23/2007 - smartalec

great site! sounds like the church I came to know and leave. You may also want totake a look at the gaming industry and the church,I did what a joke! One of my favorites is the mission president who had just purchased another two casinos for his returning missionary sons to run! - 08/17/2007 - anon

want planet are you from? You know nothing about the city creek project or the cost of it. you are a retard. - 07/03/2007 - God

Mormons pushing the sales of caffeinated drinks, lingerie, rated R movies and the like on their fellow Mormons...and slave labor! It's brilliant! - 11/09/2006 - CrazyMama

Perhaps this is Hinckley's diabolical plan to destroy the church? Perhaps he is trying to finish the work of Henry Moyle? - 01/15/2006 - anon

And can I use the new lds charge card..you know the one where the 10% is added to each purchase. - 10/05/2006 - JW the Inquizzinator

I think the primary will soon anounce a revamped version of the class,ic "I Hope They Call Me On A Mission."

Words like teach are preach will me replaced with "scrub" and "mop". Mission Field will be replaced with "Food Court." - 10/05/2006 - NoToJoe